![]() ![]() JONES: That's what I'm meant be looking at. ![]() JONES: Anything that is about the intersection of, basically, sex, race and power, I'm there. SANDERS: Jones says there's some deeper stuff there, besides the fun. SANDERS: Jones says he loved it all, even though it took him out of his comfort zone. JONES: And that was already - I think that was an hour into the experience. SANDERS: 8:54 a.m., and I'm drinking a vodka Red Bull. I mean, it's, like, 8 o'clock in the morning. JONES: I hate that here it's very early in the morning. But when Saeed Jones moved to Columbus, Ohio, this year, he fell in love with it all at an Ohio State tailgate party. The nuts and bolts of the sport don't fascinate him. SAEED JONES: I'm wearing an OSU shirt right now, by the way (laughter). SAM SANDERS, BYLINE: Saeed Jones is an unlikely fan of Ohio State football. And just a note to listeners here, you'll hear Jones use what has long been considered a derogatory term for gay men. NPR's Sam Sanders recently interviewed Jones. Those words come from poets say Saeed Jones' new memoir, "How We Fight For Our Lives." The book details his struggles as a young black gay man coming of age. People don't just happen we sacrifice former versions of ourselves. ![]()
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